not sure if this is technically a rules question...

[ollie]

Kiel Reid

There is if you are a full eater of the dead...

Thanks, that is exactly what I was asking, and I totaly missed that use. I was HOPING for a method that didnt involve perma death, so I hope I can ferret out another way. That is the kind of thing I was asking though.


ollie

Honestly, I ignore what the disciplines and paths are named for this reason. If I claim I'm a knight and my roleplay supports the claim, chivalry and all that jazz that goes with claiming one is a knight, then there isn't really a need for it.

You can claim whatever you want about your character and not have the appropriately named discipline.
Honestly, I ignore what the disciplines and paths are named for this reason. If I claim I'm a knight and my roleplay supports the claim, chivalry and all that jazz that goes with claiming one is a knight, then there isn't really a need for it.

You can claim whatever you want about your character and not have the appropriately named discipline.

I cant say I agree. A PC can say they are whatever they want to say in game, but if they do not have the skills to back it up, then they are just lying.
a Knight with no skills in combat, isnt a knight...he is just a stand up guy. a mage with no magical talent is just a fraud.
On top of that, what prompted the post was Kaylan looking to fill certains duties with PCs skilled in a specific way. I was looking to see if there was a way he could verify what the PCs he selects from say, is the truth. some skills can be demonstrated...like resist fear and crush and vorpal, but skills such as vigor and determination are harder to test without attacking a PC, and for things like Vigor there isnt an in game way to prove that since there are so many ways to get to a certain LP total.
so...that.

What I'm saying is that I don't need the combat skills from the Knight Discipline to claim I'm a knight. You can get Single wepaon specialization as a warrior and Resist fear from a few places and still call yourself a knight and have the same combat prowess as one that took the discipline.

You can be an arcanist without being a full fledged wizard as well.

Besides, there is a skill for this all ready if you really want to know what someone is capable of. Interrogate/torture them. Just word it in such a way that it makes sense in game and not at all meta-gamey. (I.E. instead as asking a person if they have determination, as them would they be able to crawl away after being beaten severely). And as long as they don't want to resist the affect of interrogation/torture in anyway that is possible, then it is the truth.

Or as someone already said, just ask the PC and most players are willing to talk about their skills.

Or something fun for RP, if a person doesn't live up to the expectation of duties that they said they can perform, then brand them as a liar in game for all to see that they are not trustworthy. (Assuming you have them swear some oath of service that would be broken by their being untruthfull)

[Phinkis]

I have to agree with Ollie. People can claim to be what ever they want to be. There are ways to test some skills but most you have to take on the persons word. The real proof if they are fit for the position you're trying to fill is weather or not they do a good job. Just because someone has the skills also doesn't mean they will a good job.

As an example. You buy some holdings and hire a Bureaucrat/Diplomat to manage them for you. You would expect to see a much higher yield from those holdings. However, if the player doesn't optimize their production or worse yet, they skim off the top, then you're not going to get as much as you may have hoped for.

It's true that you have to have at least some of the right skills to fill certain duties but it doesn't mean everyone get's there the same way.

[Kaylan Chargeender]

Aidan_Mcpryde
it would certainly go to sow how much they want the job though.

True, but i think that might be a HR issue.

Kiel Reid
It would certainly help you get to the "heart" of the matter.
Lol!
I kill myself!!!

no..no...no...let me do that for you...consider it PUNative damages....

ollie
What I'm saying is that I don't need the combat skills from the Knight Discipline to claim I'm a knight.

True, but claiming it and the claim being true are different things.

You can get Single wepaon specialization as a warrior and Resist fear from a few places and still call yourself a knight and have the same combat prowess as one that took the discipline.

Well, kind of. Single weapon doesnt allow for shield use; and lets say what Kaylan is looking for is a rogue with the knight package, single weapon isnt an option. I get your overall views on this, and in general I would agree. For what is on the horizon for Kaylans plans, he desires a single person with a set of skills that can be had through a few builds, but only one is the most efficient and most quickly attainable. Thats the catalyst for the question that was posed.

Besides, there is a skill for this all ready if you really want to know what someone is capable of. Interrogate/torture them.

Yeah thought of that, but Kaylan is from Haven and not Witchwood. That means he isnt an evil bastard and doesnt torture people just for interview purposes.

Or as someone already said, just ask the PC and most players are willing to talk about their skills.

WHile yes that MAY work, it wont work in game. Ultimately I was guessing the answer was no...

Or something fun for RP, if a person doesn't live up to the expectation of duties that they said they can perform, then brand them as a liar in game for all to see that they are not trustworthy.

Yes, but with what is at risk, Kaylan needs to know the PC or PCs hired can do the job before he gives them the responsability. To much could be lost after the fact.

Phinkis
The real proof if they are fit for the position you're trying to fill is weather or not they do a good job.

Just because someone has the skills also doesn't mean they will do a good job.

I would say that you can have more than one good fit, but that doesnt mean they will do the job well. doing a poor job doesnt mean they werent a good fit.

SOOOO... i guess in a way we agree.

[Abaddon]

if it comes up i know a really trustworthy mage who can do that for you....here comes the interrogate.

[Kaylan Chargeender]

uhm...Kaylan feels a need for a hot bleach bath just standing close to abbadon....I just do NOT see Kaylan asking him to do an "interview"...