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Post by **GM_Chris** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:57 pm

As stated I understand why a shield descussion should enter an FAQ for just these problems.

Chris

Post by **GM-August** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:46 am

My understanding of the situation is that if the rules do not say you can, then you cant.

With this reasoning, the rulebook would have to state that you could have an additional shield. I do not see that anywhere. So i would assume that you could only have one shield period.

Then again, what do i know? I still a newbie

Post by **GM_Chris** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:42 pm

No you are right 1 shield..I mean you can cary more than one but the extra doesnt protect..if it did then people would wear shield armor all over their body.

Chris

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:25 pm

Ok, real life has kept me away for a while, and I have missed way too many posts to be able to keep track of everything, so forgivce me if i miss, or repeat anything.

Sheild sizes where in the original write up, but have somehow been swept under the rug. We havent made a great issue out of it because there are soo many oversized sheilds right now. I have mentioned the problem to many people on the side, and most have chosen not to heed my advise. An official ruling will be made in the off season, but for the record the original sizes were...
Bucklers - 12" round or 10x10 square
Medium - 18" round or 18x24 square
Heavy - 24" round or 24x36 square
Before anyone complains about the size/area of the round sheild keep one thing in mind - I dont care.

~fin~

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dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:46 pm

Course now that shields are bucklers, wooden, and metal, does this change the size of medium since it isn't really medium anymore. Also for note, is 24"x36" total area, ie could someone construct a 18"x48" shield?

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:06 am

The thought of size vs weight was something I was thinking about, and it will be discussed before 'off-time' is completed. And no. 24x36 means 24x36, I didnt say anything about area.

~fin~

Oh yeah, filters up and all that crap.

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:30 am

So what if someone wants an oval shield? Where would it fall under? Sorry but area and/or circumfence should be considered. Look at the nero rules for some decent shield rules.

Also 24" round, is that radius or diameter? If diameter, that's alot smaller than the 24"x36" (~450" vs 864") and if radius, then well that's just friggin huge (864" vs ~1809").

Hey, you might not care but honestly, I'm glad these wil be worked on in the off season as they make little sense currently.

Wyrmwrath · Post by **Wyrmwrath** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:42 pm

I do belive that Todd implied in his post that the sizes mentioed were never set in stone and that the details would be hammered out in the off season. That might be WHY they dont make sense, the rules arent ddone yet. Thet arent SUPPOSEd to make sense at this time, he was just tossing out some information.

At least that was my take on it.

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:26 pm

E.R. said~ So what if someone wants an oval shield? Where would it fall under? Sorry but area and/or circumfence should be considered. Look at the nero rules for some decent shield rules.

If you notice (with the exception of bucklers) the max size of a round sheild is the same as the width of a square sheild. If you want an oval sheild go ahead as long as it doesnt exceed 18x24, or 24x36, respectivly.
editors note; this aint nero

E.R. said~ Also 24" round, is that radius or diameter? If diameter, that's alot smaller than the 24"x36" (~450" vs 864") and if radius, then well that's just friggin huge (864" vs ~1809").

This one is obvious, see above

E.R. said~ Hey, you might not care but honestly, I'm glad these wil be worked on in the off season as they make little sense currently.

What I dont care about is the fact that you might loose 7.643548 inches of total area by triming off the corners of your sheild. This leads to the 72"x6" sheild. We will not be dealing with total surface area. This leads to unsafe, and/or ludacris sheild construction. Someone even mention using a perferated sheild once so he could deduct the area not there. Not gonna happen.

B.G. said~ I do belive that Todd implied in his post that the sizes mentioed were never set in stone and that the details would be hammered out in the off season. That might be WHY they dont make sense, the rules arent ddone yet. Thet arent SUPPOSEd to make sense at this time, he was just tossing out some information.

The sizes were originally set in stone, but too few of the sheild already in-game didnto conform to the rules so they havent been infornced. As to wheather the rules appear to make sense, I think somepeople must be missenterpreting something, because they are very simple, and clear. As far as off season goes. Yes, they will be looked at, and most likely changed, mostly because sizing becomes irelavent when you have ablative damage. (we have something similar to this in Boom/Damage ratings) I would like to simplify it by saying bucklers cannot exceed X size, and sheilds may not exceed X size. Then wheather you want an Oval, Round, Square, Heater, etc... shaped sheild, as long as it doesnt exceed Max size its ok.

~fin~

Post by **WayneO42** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:12 am

I would like to define sheilds by surface area and a max dimension. Something like a Large shield can be up to 864 square inches with no one side exceeding 36".

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:10 pm

Only thing I'd add is a minimum size too. Ie all sides must be within 18"-36".

And for note I didn't say use Nero rules, just look at them. Reinventing the wheel is dumb.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:20 pm

I rather use shield rules that allow people from most larps to use their shields in our game.

Chris

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:01 pm

For those that don't know Nero rules adapted for our game would be basically this:

take a string 120" (10') long, and wrap it around your shield. If the ends don't meet, it's too big. This would just fit a 24"x36" shield. Any odd holes that would be shorter filled in, are assumed that way (ie the kite shield with a notch in the top left/right corner would be the same as a regular kite shield)

It doesn't get much simpler. Add a knot where buckler size is maxed and you have a permenant meausring stick for all shields (as we only have two).

If you'll notice, the largest area shield would be a circle, though rectangle fits a person better as people aren't spheres.