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Because it has already been stated that those hits would not be counted, but you are right I should have said something right then..I think I could only weez out eh eh eh at the time though.
As for why you should count hits..well that is just a very odd statement..if you didnt count a flying past you attempt to your back then well I would agree.
Chris
As for why you should count hits..well that is just a very odd statement..if you didnt count a flying past you attempt to your back then well I would agree.
Chris
Chris
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Chris
So, please tell how backstab is suppose to work? I see no difference between running up behind some one and back stabbing them (aka a surprise attack) vrs stepping sideways, moving behind them, and back stabing them. At any time when I'm approaching you from behind you can turn. Does that negate the back stab than? Can I only use backstab in a non combat situation? Can i bakstab you if you are fighting another person? Also, I can't be the only one doing run by backstabs.
Keep it simple, If I charged a backstab and hit you in your back, you take the damage. It is simple and does not complicate things. Remeber, if you touch me while I'm trying to backstab you. I lose the charge. I believe that balances it out and does not add complications.
As I said before, it is better to surpise attack a person with a nerve pinch becasue they out of action, instead of just doing damage in which most the person hit could turn and beat the thief down. The nerve pinch I slit your through takes a secound to do, and is very effective.
Keep it simple, If I charged a backstab and hit you in your back, you take the damage. It is simple and does not complicate things. Remeber, if you touch me while I'm trying to backstab you. I lose the charge. I believe that balances it out and does not add complications.
As I said before, it is better to surpise attack a person with a nerve pinch becasue they out of action, instead of just doing damage in which most the person hit could turn and beat the thief down. The nerve pinch I slit your through takes a secound to do, and is very effective.
My Thoughts
Aaron
Aaron
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Most of the time when I to a run by attack I start with the targets back facing me. As I approach my target they ususally turn. At that time I have to adjust and side step to get the backstab off. So it starts as a surprise attack, but in the implmentation of it I get discovered, and I have to adjust the attack. As for the run by,once I deliver the blow I keep going so I don't get hit.
My Thoughts
Aaron
Aaron
I vote for returning backstab to simplicity since not doing so invokes conversations of 'that didn't count' which detracts from combat a lot more than a wrap around ever would. Backstab should be a hit to the back, that's it. This way there is very little question as to how it works and whether it counted or not.
I don't do wrap or really run by backstabs but that's not saying that I wouldn't do a run by if it meant that I could get my backstab off and not get hit. It should be simple, if you get hit in the back you take it. If you see someone that looks like they're trying to get at your back just hit them or make them block as Aaron said, it's really easy to disrupt a charge, if you don't disrupt a charge and get hit in the back you should take the damage.
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Grrrr
OK I can see your argument! That said I hate run up from the front jump past and hit the back attack SOOOOO for this practice to stop I will propose on Sunday that all times to use backstab increase in time so this practice become sereously more difficult to accomplish.
Basically I will be looking at a 10 count for backstab making it impossible for a thief dueling a warrior to ever EVER use one
We will also state that any count must be count with mississipi's or some other choosen word so we can equalize counts amoung different people.
And before I hear any bitching from theive I already know that most people feel they are the most powerful clas since we have the most in game. Also backstabs do as much damage as an empath with less things able to stop them.
Chris
OK I can see your argument! That said I hate run up from the front jump past and hit the back attack SOOOOO for this practice to stop I will propose on Sunday that all times to use backstab increase in time so this practice become sereously more difficult to accomplish.
Basically I will be looking at a 10 count for backstab making it impossible for a thief dueling a warrior to ever EVER use one
We will also state that any count must be count with mississipi's or some other choosen word so we can equalize counts amoung different people.
And before I hear any bitching from theive I already know that most people feel they are the most powerful clas since we have the most in game. Also backstabs do as much damage as an empath with less things able to stop them.
Chris
Chris
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I be one of the gamemasters so e-mail me questions if you have them
Aaron
I don't see a problem with that. 10 count is not that bad. Not to mention, now there is chance backstab swords can be made to lower the charge time down. As stated before, the minium charge time for any skill will be a 5 count. I think this could be fun.
Chris,
The only reason I was able to backstab the dwarf in the battle is because I almost had a backstab charged when you feel down and took advantage of dwarf's misfortune. When ever you didn't attack I was trying to charge a backstab and waiting for an opening to use it. But you kept hitting me destroying my count or the charge I almost had. A warrior should win against a thief if the people playing them are equaly skilled and in the same phyiscal shape. But I went on the defesive and tried to wear you down so you would leave yourself open more. I was counting on that I could out last Chris the NPC. The dwarf should have won mechanicaly, but when it comes to the actual battle strange things can happen.
Chris,
The only reason I was able to backstab the dwarf in the battle is because I almost had a backstab charged when you feel down and took advantage of dwarf's misfortune. When ever you didn't attack I was trying to charge a backstab and waiting for an opening to use it. But you kept hitting me destroying my count or the charge I almost had. A warrior should win against a thief if the people playing them are equaly skilled and in the same phyiscal shape. But I went on the defesive and tried to wear you down so you would leave yourself open more. I was counting on that I could out last Chris the NPC. The dwarf should have won mechanicaly, but when it comes to the actual battle strange things can happen.
My Thoughts
Aaron
Aaron
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Making it so that a "hit in the back" counts as a backstab promotes ugly reaching around and unsafe melee.
I suggest using the general "planar" concept for backstabs. Assuming your target's shoulders make a line extending out, if that line would cross into you or if you are on the "front plane" you cannot backstab. This combined with upping the charge will make it more reasonable and safe in my opinion.
I suggest using the general "planar" concept for backstabs. Assuming your target's shoulders make a line extending out, if that line would cross into you or if you are on the "front plane" you cannot backstab. This combined with upping the charge will make it more reasonable and safe in my opinion.
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Oh I took that backstab that was a good one..it was the other attempted when you flew past me diving side ways in the process nicking me in the back sholder while I was turning that I didnt take.
Chris
Chris
Chris
I be one of the gamemasters so e-mail me questions if you have them
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