the inballance of rogues

[GM-Phil]

I think I will leave this as my last post on this -

At the moment I have not seen any serious imbalance at any of our events - we have finally been getting a good mix of Paths (although Empaths are still hit and miss).

At WH we are usually looking at a couple more Rouges than Wizards - so while I do agree that Wizard could use a little work there are people willing to play them. Heck we usually have more Wizards than we do Empaths usually.

As for Jack of all Trades it is a purely personal choice - for a character I made Jack of all Trades was perfect for what I wanted to do.

So while numbers wise they may not look balanced, in the game the chaos of battle actually balances them out.

[Wyrmwrath]

offensive skills cannot be mitigated by player skill, you cannot just charge more damage because your fast and good about avoiding blows.

so untrue, a skilled fighter(player skills) can easily shut down a roge. Not sure how you can even say otherwise without lauighing.

and warriors have cool swap out skills? did I miss a supplement?

[Ark]

and warriors have cool swap out skills? did I miss a supplement?

actually because the rogue debate is pretty much over. . .

what is your opinion of defensive matrix, and the warrior swap out skills?

basic
-use bow (people who want to use bows will take archer, i guess this is a slight boost to them)
-last stand (kills you, dead = 0 dps, not worth it)
-use shield (solid skill)

advanced
-crush (too high cost for too little, and weapon restricted)
-battle tactics (is a wizard skill hiding in the warrior swap out section)

master
-noble reputation (political skills? really? of all the things you add to make warrior seem like its not a one trick pony, really?
-single weapon spec (so a warrior does not have to take a discipline to do three, i get it, but the cost is too high for it to be usefull)

[Wyrmwrath]

what is your opinion of:

defensive matrix

Lame, especially since no one RPs it like Chris says it should be to be effective. They just stand there. Only useful as a stall against tons of low damage swinging NPOCs which is rarely the case because of NPC shortage or the need for the NPCs to be tougher even when they have fairly good numbers

use bow

Strong, warrior archer with use bow does 2 vorpal per arrow without charging, 4 if charged 10 secinds. Thats nice, if thats the build you want. add swashbuckler and your an armor ignoring monster.

last stand

the skill offers no value for the cost. If it was 10 crush for 10 to 20 seconds...THEN it would be a heroic death to fend off the incoming hordes to give your allies time to do whatever needs doing

use shield

nuff said

crush

if it was like the barbarian crush, then it would have value. like this, again not enough bang for the buck.

battle tactics

like the RP of it for a leadership oriented warrior, low payout. the charge time isnt worth a single strike when so many other enhencers give combat long or event long effects

noble reputation

like the RP skill. I use it.

single weapon spec

a master level path skill weaker than the level 4 discipline ... makes little sense. Im guessing they were trying to offset making it selectable, or prevent stacking but its again to high in cost for the payout considering you cant use a shield.
If it was a +2, then id be behind it and it would make t handed weapon users a threat.

[cole45]

how about suggestions for swap out stills that

do not increase damage or soak?

[Wyrmwrath]

*EDIT*
Changed my mind. Aside from the rules suggestions I have already promised, I think it best I not delve into that (if willpower lets me resist the urge) since my last attempt to help make suggestions and improvements was met with sillyness over me being allowed to do so on a forum whose title had GM in it, even though I wasnt the only GM there. That just shows squeeky wheels making that noise arent serious about the process.