Spy and Bureaucrat

Rahl · Post by **Rahl** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:00 pm

Just curious on how the abilities of the 2 above mentioned disciplines affect each other... if at all. Specificly the Slander ability and how/if it is modified by Bureaucrat abilities.

Any explanations would be appreciated. Thx!

Post by **GM_Chris** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:14 pm

You are unable to be both since one is privlaged and the other is common.

Chris

Post by Ug » Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:25 am

I thought they were able to be both until next year due to misprint? (As with Witch Hunter and Monk)

Post by **GM_Chris** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:05 am

Sorry if there is a misprint then yes you can use them but any skill that is a duplicate skill does NOT stack, and anything that is against other rules would be shot down, and anyone who knows that it is a no no and does it anyways make me feel you did it just to piss me off and to be a weasle and would have my eternal rath.

Chris

Lambic · Post by **Lambic** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:41 am

So no real downside then, huh??

wink win,k nudge nudge, tip of the hat, say no more.

Rahl · Post by **Rahl** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:33 pm

Yes, both are listed as priveledged, no I don't know of any reprint skills involved or at least I don't think so since I really don't know what you're referring to.

What I'm asking about is how Bureaucrat affects the Slander ability if at all. Can you split your negative alleigance when slandering? Since you get a bonus to allegiance from Bureaucrat, does this also apply to slandering? What if you spend all your neg allegiance on one group,does that group get the 25% bonus for all your allegiance going to them and is it positive or negative?

Essentially these problems come down to math and I'd like to start figuring it now instead of later.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:42 pm

Well as I have said above that these two disciplines are not suppose to be used together i will say their skills do not influince each other in any way.

Basically you can be a spy and beurocrat for 1 event but you can only use the spy or the beurocrat abilities seprately without one effecting the other for math calculations.

Oh and if there is still some loop hole you are specifically trying to exploit for 1 event against the player base that I am not covering ..I give full authority for the entire player base to meta game and kill you over and over and over again no matter what character you choose to play till the end of time

Though I wont say you cant do it

Chris

Wyrmwrath · Post by **Wyrmwrath** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:54 pm

1) Was it not stated that we are to be using the list at the front of the discipline section and NOT the ones by the individual description? I will state that if the master list at the front of the section is correct , as in it is thet same as it will be after the off season, I personally will consider anyone using the lists by the individual descriptions, which are known to be innacurate, as a poor role player at best and a cheater at worst. If you know its and eror and you exploit it, you are a cheater. I will not play with cheaters.

2)Rahl...just an FYI Orcs have to be a level above where we are and are not yet advancing, slander will be a waste of time

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:06 pm

Well, then call me a bad role player and a cheater. I honestly don't give a rip.

And I was the one that stated the list in the front was accurate. Chris agreed but later it was pointed at that until it's changed we can use either.

Post by **WayneO42** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:42 am

No where in the rules does it state that the list is the one that is correct. In fact, both the list and the descriptions should be correct. It is our fault it is not. Therfore, anyone who does follow the description instead of the list is just following the rules and not a cheater. Not everyone follows the frustrating as hell rules forum and, as far as I know, there has been no announcement at a pre-game meeting regarding which discipline list to use.

However, If they know the list is the more accurate and still decide to use the description, they are just making things worse for themselves because it will be changed in the off-season. I dont like the word "Cheater" being thrown around when the root of the problem is a GM SNAFU

Post by **GM-Mike** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:01 pm

I don't like the word cheater either. I prefer the phrases Pulling a Reid or Nelkie-fying the Rules, to name a couple (sorry, couldn't help myself)

Anyway, editing the rulebook is number 1428 on our list for the offseason, right after the NPC scourging for our many sins; sorry for the confusion.

Mike

Nelkie · Post by **Nelkie** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:16 am

Hey,

Nelkie-Fying the rules. First it is 3 GM per one of my requests or questions, now I have a new verb named after me. Wow, I can't wait to see whats next. The holes are getting smaller and it's getting harder to find any breaks. Eventually all the breaks will be found and the mechanical sid eof the system will run very soomthly.
Eric and I take it to extrems to test if there is any breaks. It's a good thing we let you guys know what we discover and come up with, or you would probaly beat Eric and I black and blue. I can't wait to build my battle machinen made from wood and steel that swings 10 crush, has a magic shield around it that protects it, gaint bolista, and many more items. I guess I would have to convert Kellys Vue into the Phiserep, I don't think she would mind, it's for a good cause, FH

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:59 pm

Reids a bad role player and a cheater. Well you said to do it.

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:01 pm

On point though, it was decided previously that you COULD be both of these, although no-one besides myself has tried. Course that PC went away when I got put on charge

~fin~

Rahl · Post by **Rahl** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:08 am

Thx Todd. I was looking at making a political character since we have very few in the game. Hell, there are very few political abilities, most are focused around combat. However, if all this is gonna get changed during the off season it hardly seems worth using my rewrite to bring a char like this in for a session and a half.