Reattach limb

Post by **GM_Chris** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:39 pm

Where in the book is this skill because I cannot find it.

Corbyn · Post by **Corbyn** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:03 pm

The field ruling has been if you have the intact limb, you can hold it to the severed region, and surgically reattach then heal the damage. We have never been able to regrow a limb (or eye). I would be happy to experiment on Robert or your dwarf should you continue to be curious.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:02 am

I thought for sure we had a skill in master healer at one point that had rules for reatching limbs.

You mean this has been a field ruling for years?? LOL

Oh boy here comes some changes

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:47 am

Hey Vince, What was the amount of time required? and the number of LP to be healed?

Was this just performed at the time of surgery and the 2 overlapped?
i.e. The character was wounded and the limb removed. The healer took the limb and reattached it by performing surgury. All LP were healed.

or...

Has anyone ever had a limb reattached IG long after the limb was lost? i.e. Has it ever been used where the character lost a limb. Was healed. Was at full LP when the limb was found. Then tried to 're-graft' the appendage on?

Ravinal · Post by **Ravinal** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:34 am

There isn't even a rule in the book to truely disarm/disleg...if you will, anyone in this fashion. So putting foreth debate on the fact that there is no rule in the book for reattaching a limb is somewhat moot.

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:12 am

Ravinal wrote:There isn't even a rule in the book to truely disarm/disleg...if you will, anyone in this fashion. So putting foreth debate on the fact that there is no rule in the book for reattaching a limb is somewhat moot.

This is a very good point. There is no need for rules governing attaching a limb unless you first write up rules governing removal...

Of course, Eater of the Dead can eat flesh, heart and brain.

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:10 am

Exactly, this is probly more of a 'post-mortem' rule. Character was killed and dismembered now we want to bring him back kinda thing. Just need to know if it has happened at all in the past.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:20 am

Reattaching heads would fall into this catagory

Corbyn · Post by **Corbyn** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:38 pm

Ravinal hit the central issue. Dismemberment has been very rare and an attack feature of some monsters.

I have never tried to reattach a head, I thought the only person in game I ever saw do that had some special object or mojo as I asked about it once and was told it wasn't possible (field ruling #2).

Yeah Todd, we applied it as surgery. If we had the limb laying around, we considered it damage that could be repaired, same as if someone took a 30 boom to the chest and had a big gaping hole. I don't recall your re-grafting after having been healed to full example ever happening.

We need rules for severing followed by reattachment. The head thing is the central issue, and needs perma-death conditions. For example, if your head is severed and can't be reattached within time frame X, you are screwed. Even though all your body is present, you are gone.

I don't think limbs should be permanently lost. If one is lost then the person is healed to full, they should be able to have their arm (or a suitably fresh replacement) reattached.

Ravinal · Post by **Ravinal** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:22 pm

Indeed, having to stuff one arm into your shirt or leaping around on one leg for the remainder of the character existence would very much bite for game play.

dier_cire · Post by **dier_cire** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:56 pm

I'm still stuck on the "I chop off your head/arm/leg" call then the surgeon making it to the person within the time limit (15 seconds before official bleed to death, I'm considering this call a killing blow since it doesn't exist). Currently, they just get the arm/leg/head back.

Ex:
PlayerA falls from damage
Monster: "I cut off your head"
(PlayerA now has 15 seconds to bleed to death, amazingly with no head)
PlayerB now makes it to PlayerA and begins surgury
At end of surgury, head is reattached and Player may continue on as normal.

We've created the problem in that we've been using "cut off your head/arm/leg" as a special call and it's not.

If it is going to be one, are arms and legs going to be handled differently than heads (as seems to be the precedent)

The big issue this creates is if you cannot use surgury/healing without a full body, it makes chopping off a limb a way to ensure perma death...

Ultimately, I'd like to see no removing of limbs until death has occured. This action would then take like a 15 count. This would elimintate the screwing of the healer's surgury skill.

Now monster's taking limbs would constitute a special scenario and thus special rules explained at that combat (similar to the stone disease ability of the basilisk)

Post by **GM_Chris** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:24 pm

Agree with Erik

As for Ravinal...you know loosing limbs can be a very very cool RP expierence

Amagus · Post by **Amagus** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:47 pm

Well, currently anything can be done with a five count, right? A pair of thieves once performed a five count to remove Dallid's ear after knocking him out. Though this was back when 'Regenerate Limb' was a Master Healer ability, so he just regrew it.

Although removing an actual limb would seem a killing blow. So it does make sense to do the 'I-slit-your-throat-you're-dead' thing before chopping the victim up.

Post by **GM_Chris** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:49 pm

We may just want to get rid of the "5 count" and make it a 20 count for everything

Kalphoenix · Post by **Kalphoenix** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:48 pm

Or maybe return the regrow limb feature? Or not allow heads to be cut off without some kind of special ability?

I'm finding, as we go on, at least in the last three events, there are WAY too many creatures cutting off/blowing up heads. I guess, in my opinion, it feels overused.

I believe, in the game I played where I first encountered this, it was treated as part of surgery, we had the limb before the time allowed to rez was over, so we re-attached it. NOT mentioned in the rules, but I don't recall what was going on at the time, because it was three or four events ago.

Considering how death is supposibly being made more deadly, by making rezzes harder (Which everyone already knows how I feel about, I'd rather see penalties such as "Treat your abilities and skills like you are starving" or "You are unable to use your left hand." Creative things that promote roleplaying as opposed to the only option being "You are dead. Period."), I hate to see it being easier for some one to die just because someone says "I chop off your head." This should be a special ability, and it shouldn't be instantaneous. What if there was a penalty during rezzing for missing a body part, along the lines of system shock? Missing the head - add an additional red chip, or something like that. So it would still be possible to be brought back, just harder. Also, (I'm sorry, this is a little off track, and may have been mentioned) could we make drawing chips at the beginning of the rezzing instead of at the end?

I don't know how many heads you have chopped off, but it takes some time to hack through that meat, especially considering the spine...

Unless you have an unnaturally sharp weapon, that is.