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A Warrior may spend a life point to reduce the damage delivered from any single frontal melee attack that has a number in the call to 0. This includes knockout, crush, vorpal, poison, etc. In addition, they may also parry disarm attacks.

When you are hit with a knockout your current armor including combat reflexes and enhancements needs to be greater than the number called to resist being knocked unconscious for 5 minutes. If your character’s current armor total is equal to or less than the number called then the character is knocked out. This call is delivered by a number followed by the word "knockout".

Murgadin wrote:What exactly happens if someone parry's a 3 vorpal knockout?

Parry states:

A Warrior may spend a life point to reduce the damage delivered from any single frontal melee attack that has a number in the call to 0. This includes knockout, crush, vorpal, poison, etc. In addition, they may also parry disarm attacks.

Knockout states:

When you are hit with a knockout your current armor including combat reflexes and enhancements needs to be greater than the number called to resist being knocked unconscious for 5 minutes. If your character’s current armor total is equal to or less than the number called then the character is knocked out. This call is delivered by a number followed by the word "knockout".

So if you parry a 3 vorpal knockout it becomes a 0 vorpal knockout, since it's vorpal you don't count your armor, so for all the purpose of the call you have 0 armor. 0 armor is not enough to stop 0 knockout.

if you parry it, it has no effect, thats why its also called "avoid blow"

For the 3 vorpal poison knockout I don't see why you'd be poisoned by this since it's not effecting your LP. That said I don't like the way knockout works either. With the current way knockout works you can build a character that can swing a 10 knockout with just a 5 count and the kicker is you don't need to be a rogue to do it. A Valkyn’Vi has a 2 knockout for a 5 count. As a sage add 1 to this, level 4 brawler adds 5 to this and 2 levels of monk adds 2 more since you have 2 levels of brawler already. That seems a little unbalanced to me, especially when compared to a rogues knockout.

yes but you are devoting alot of skills and levels built around said skill, and its not even that good

I'd like to see knockout work more like poison and disease, where it needs to affect your LP but still does damage, hitting someone in the head with a heavy object still hurts even if it doesn't knock them out. With this idea you can lower the numbers and standardize the count times. Change the Valkyn’Vi boon to 1. Rogue gets 1 at basic, 2 more at advanced and another 3 at master, for a total of 6 KO. Sages stay at 1 at advanced and sage buff is changed to 1. Doubling up on Iron Fists(second level of brawler and monk) gives 1 knockout and Knockout Blow(fourth level of Brawler) gives 3. I'd say keep saps at 2, since they require a commodity to upkeep. Just like the current system you can stack all of these. The charge time can then be done one of three ways. You can have a flat time you think is right for the skill, based off the nastiest possible call, with the above numbers is about 13 KO. This is very simple but then encourages people to build specific ways to maximize their KO. The next idea is to have it based off the number of knockout you intend to call, say a 5 count per point of KO. This is still fairly simple but might make 1 KO faster than intended for taking out unarmored people. The third way is most complex but I think the fairest. 1 KO would take a base count, say 10, plus an additional count for each additional point of KO, say 3. So a 5 KO would take a 22 count(10+3+3+3+3).

it is unlikely to change


As far as resists/immunities go, I think they're fine negating the whole call. As an NPC at WH I've used a longer call knowing that it's more likely to be resisted. It makes more people with those resists/immunities feel useful. As a PC, knowing what to include in your calls and what not too is part of the challenge. Should you swing magic at this thing or is it going to be immune? I would say that the whole poisoned assassin weapon thing is sort of strange. If they're knocking someone out with their weapon it's probably not with the poisoned part.

no there not knocking them out with it, poison does its own thing

Finally, my thoughts on Kandium. I can't say too much because I haven't been around long enough to really see it's effect but it sounds a little unbalanced. I guess what I really need to know is does a Vorpal call reduce Kandiun armor before Combat Reflexes? If it does the I guess it's fine the way it is, people just need to know how it works. If it still takes from Combat Reflexes first like normal damage then I'd say it's broken. In this game it's easy to have more Combat Reflexes then armor meaning you could keep that 9 points of Kandium a while.

you take damage from Combat reflexes first, then armor, then life, so a warrior wearing Kandium would have at least 9 CR, not including buffs, discipline, poitions, talismans, etc.

Ark wrote:if you parry it, it has no effect, thats why its also called "avoid blow"

yes but you are devoting alot of skills and levels built around said skill, and its not even that good

it is unlikely to change

no there not knocking them out with it, poison does its own thing

you take damage from Combat reflexes first, then armor, then life, so a warrior wearing Kandium would have at least 9 CR, not including buffs, discipline, poitions, talismans,

dier_cire wrote:http://www.finalhavenlarp.com/phpBB2/vi ... php?t=4687



where's that exactly?

If you decided it in the off season, it should be there. What you really have is a field ruling to accommodate the players who don't read the rules.

Ovak Stonecrusher wrote:And now here's an example where two GMs disagree. I knew you wouldn't have to wait long to find one of those

Todd (and Josh) is right that that is how it is being played, taken from CR first, but I'm almost positive that that was not the intention of it.

cole45 wrote:
Kandium ruins assasins.

yup, an item ruins 4th level discilpline skills.

witch hunters ruin empaths. That's not fair.

Yes it is, as you have to invest in a discipline to do so, not get an item that lets you resist magic

Potions make healers useless, that's not fair.

I agree, Alchemy is broke

There's spells that give you press making orcs pointless

I agree, arcane is broke

....... on and on.

I agree again

cole45 wrote:so what your really saying is that there should only be skills, no items , no potions, no crafted special items? that is a different game.