LV.4 discipline weapon focus

Wyrmwrath · Post by **Wyrmwrath** » Fri May 06, 2011 8:20 pm

YOU see it that way. I see it that vorpal (and rage) require SO MUCH concentration and focus you can't do anything else. Hense no charge up skills or life point skills.

If it were burst of will power, it would be a lifepoint skill.

Uhm...Vorpal IS a LP skill Travis. You are thinking the death touch assassin thing. Thats NOT what I am speaking of.

So look at it in the way - If you are under an effect like a "cooldown" or similar effect that would disallow potion use - just think of it as you are drinking the potion, but due to the stress on your body from whatever is affecting you the potion itself has no effect.
You can use Doug's reasoning for Poison, under a Cooldown you can think of your body as being so worn out that the potion cannot take effect.

I am usure where the cool down reference came from since I am not speaking about such skills.

Mechanics wise though a potion effect is considered a charged skill and cannot be used in conjunction with other skills. Now even though having a phys-rep gets rid of the charge time, a potion is still considered a charged skill.

First, no where does it say its considered a charged skill.

Second, the fact its considered a skill at all is what it so silly. Its a liquid, one that happens to have affects other than " aahhh thats refreshing!", but still a liquid...in a vial...that you drink.

Like I have said, I agree that during charge up time or at 0LP or less, not being able to drink a potion makes sense, its when its dissalowed during other skills/skill based activities that are essentialy passive once activated , that a potion isnt usable simply because its classafied as a skill. That essentialy means when the swashbuckler activates the vorpal skill, or a knight uses weapon focus, or someone uses hold groud your implying they are to "busy" to drink the potion. Thats just perposterous.

cole45 · Post by **cole45** » Fri May 06, 2011 9:41 pm

Any with a time is a charged skill unless it says otherwise.

cole45 · Post by **cole45** » Fri May 06, 2011 9:55 pm

Also some skills say passive after activation. Those skills are intended to be the kind of mindless act. Enchant weapon poison and the like. If it doesn't say that it was intentionally made an active skill.

We just have to agreee disagree.

Wyrmwrath · Post by **Wyrmwrath** » Fri May 06, 2011 10:48 pm

or you could just realise your wrong.....

...just sayin...

Ark · Post by **Ark** » Fri May 06, 2011 11:00 pm

. . .this has been building up for sometime, but oh well.

nobody is EVER "wrong" there is no "wrong" thing or idea when discussing larp mechanics. there are ideas, some better than others, but thats it.
there is no "perfect" larp rule set, thats why there are so many, continue to be more, and most are under constant change.

someone might be misinformed as to how a current rule works, maybe they dont understand it, maybe the wording is vague (happens alot) usually all thats required is a PM, or at the game to pull them aside and say "hey i dont think thats how it works." no need to call people out in public, all it does is upset the person and make the other loook like an ass.

when were talking about ideas that are not written down, there is no wrong. if someone thinks rules are stupid, wrong, lame. im sure you can find many other larps out there, or you can make your own.

thats my last in these discussions for a while. i dont enjoy them that much lately, some of you know why. but SH is starting up, the lake is getting warm, and someone i know is out of college for the summer, so im off.

peace - Ark

Wyrmwrath · Post by **Wyrmwrath** » Fri May 06, 2011 11:17 pm

. . .this has been building up for sometime, but oh well.

if thats true you take things to seriously...

nobody is EVER "wrong" there is no "wrong" thing or idea when discussing larp mechanics. there are ideas, some better than others, but thats it.

...ahhh the impractical and unrealistic idealism of youth...

An idea CAN be wrong. We are taught differently as kids so that we learn not to fear trying out ideas until we get to the point where we are mature and wise enoughg to know an idea that is right from one that is wrong.

there is no "perfect" larp rule set, thats why there are so many, continue to be more, and most are under constant change.

I agree that every set of rules will be "right" for a segment of the players, but saying one set isnt ant better than another is just untrue when viewed from a objective position.

someone might be misinformed as to how a current rule works, maybe they dont understand it, maybe the wording is vague (happens alot) usually all thats required is a PM, or at the game to pull them aside and say "hey i dont think thats how it works." no need to call people out in public, all it does is upset the person and make the other loook like an ass.

getting upset over such means your skin is too thin...

and, by defintion, if someone is misinformed/not understanding/confused they are wrong; until given the correct or clarified information.

when were talking about ideas that are not written down, there is no wrong.

Again, idealistic, but incorrect. Its entirely possible to state an idea would be better than another and be wrong, depending on the definition of "better" in the context of that discussion.

if someone thinks rules are stupid, wrong, lame. im sure you can find many other larps out there, or you can make your own

The next time your going to fail at attempting to thinly veil your comments and whom they are targeting, try using the same pronoun throughout...

Also, remember you dont have all the information simply because you read the posts here. Travis and I have been PMing each other about loving the debate, since no one else will examine the minute to an extreem like we each do, and have been joking about it. My last post was in jest...

so when SOMEONE wants to make a comment in a thread, directed at a person, about a post; thats SOMEONE should be sure their temper isnt blinding what passes for a sense of humor...

Ark · Post by **Ark** » Sat May 07, 2011 1:52 am

-Wyrmwrath

I apoligise.

that statement was directed at you. it is in fact my personal ideal to not openly tell someone that they are wrong, or that something they suggest is wrong.

while i will argue for what i belive is right in the discussion of rules, i wish no ill thought on those that i argue with.

all of this is my judgement, my ideal of how it should be, even though i understand it cant always be that way

so i am in fact sorry, and look foward to discussing rules with you in the future.

. . . .probobly on opising sides of the debate

Wyrmwrath · Post by **Wyrmwrath** » Sat May 07, 2011 6:39 am

no apology needed.

Please understand I am well aware I can come like a bastard at times, but that is simply because I do not belive in mincing words, sugar coating, or being indirect.

I feel to do so cheapens the communication by making it fake, and assumes the person you are speaking to/debating cant handle it. In essence your treating them like a weak child, which I see as a bigger insult.

In spite of how that makes me seem to those that dont take the time to get to know me, if you ask those that do you will find I am a person that is generous, loyal to a fault, and a great dancer when drunk.

in the end, never take it personal. Its obvious when I am getting personal, because I get venemously derisive.

cole45 · Post by **cole45** » Sat May 07, 2011 7:46 am

rules are like science. You have to defend them to criticism as well as always be on the look out for a better way to do it.(i'm looking at you knockout.)

Wyrmwrath · Post by **Wyrmwrath** » Sat May 07, 2011 6:35 pm

...i'm looking at you knockout.

THey sell this awesome mallet at Lowes that works great....

Post by **GM_Chris** » Sat May 07, 2011 8:58 pm

Small people can e used as awesome mallets.

Wyrmwrath · Post by **Wyrmwrath** » Sat May 07, 2011 9:12 pm

is that comment meant to sell out your brother again?!

I thought we had discussed you not doing that anymore....

in public.

cole45 · Post by **cole45** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:40 pm

That would be mullet

Altearez · Post by **Altearez** » Thu May 12, 2011 7:28 am

Let me point out the fact that there is way too much whining about not being able to drink potions during cool-down, simple fix from the pc side, stop your cooldown count drink your potion and restart.

-in dire situations people have to make dire decisions.

so will you drink the potion or cool-down so you can re-cast.

yea its stupid but so is vorpal knockout not being parriable, so hey suck it up buttercup.

we all have our personnal rule disagreements, you tried.

so about vorpal knockout not being parriable.... DUMB, but whatev.

but I do agree we should be able to drink potions during cooldown

but at the same time I don't think its as big of a deal as its being made out to be.

is it really so hard on people to stop their cooldown count to drink a potion, everyone else that uses skills has to do it, why should wizard be so special.

simple fix

Drinking Potions-does not disrupt cool-down.

OMG

so hard.

so can we drop it now, I think we all understand how we all feel on the subject of drinking potions and cool-down

cole45 · Post by **cole45** » Thu May 12, 2011 9:24 am

actually. in cool down you CAN't drink a potion.

cool down, unlike reload is not an optional effect.